What are your plans for your PVP's here?

[Ouilyan]

Miss those days!
Great battles 120+ vs 120+ in one castle!!

And yes, PVP-BG-WOE needs updates, customization to bring back the feeling.

New players are always entering the server, at least latinos are entering, and asking how the pvp-woe is, and sometimes i give hopes... 
 

[The 0ne Left]

On 3/20/2023 at 12:30 AM, junioran said:

WoE is done. Most of the veterans that had knowledge to pass and could be cores of guilds have quit by now

 

As Kuroda said, big periods of 0 pvp updates and 0 news regarding the lawsuit situation made ppl slowly move on

It's only done depending on the mechanics of woe implemented of the server, aside from vets playing others can still participate for the sake of action around the server, same with BG and regular PVP. The lawsuit itself will get cold as time goes because at this point it's way to late to take down servers esp if there's tons of new RO's poping up here and there with catch promo vids and you don't see them give a crap of gravity's warnings, the vets you mention probably move to one of those server because of its offered/explained pvp mechanics. So why don't this server do the same?

 

On 3/20/2023 at 2:48 AM, Ouilyan said:

Miss those days!
Great battles 120+ vs 120+ in one castle!!

And yes, PVP-BG-WOE needs updates, customization to bring back the feeling.

New players are always entering the server, at least latinos are entering, and asking how the pvp-woe is, and sometimes i give hopes... 
 

I seen some old reviews of this server from ratemyserver it has some complaints about pvps here (not going to details) causing a lot of vets to leave, but that was years ago and I think its time for the team to learn from those criticism and improve the pvp mechanics around here.

 

On 3/17/2023 at 4:11 AM, ShuichiAkai said:

@NotAstolfo 

The point is that after the abolition of the commissioner system, a new PvP GM was introduced to save us, but after a few months he started to be inactive, and today, most likely, he doesn't even read the forum anymore.

 

As @ShuichiAkai mention there use to be a pvp GM here making that mechanics fair for all. not sure what happen to that GM but the team should consider looking for a new GM for that.

[Ouilyan]

Btw... i was at discord and someone started talking about this "pvp-server" in which valor badges can be sold or trade for very cool pvp-bg-woe gear, hats (decoratives, so they have no pvm, pvp, woe effects) and seems that the list was amazing, like 40 items (at least 20 looked really cool, cute, killers, etc)

Maybe this could be apply to attract all those "poring killers".
Was thinking, what if you need X amount of kills with a specific job to get the "unlocks" to shops?
Anyway, the intention of providing feedback is here, hope (HOPE) at least they talk about it.

[The 0ne Left]

Well if you still have the convo on that I would like to read it. Also I don't think any of the teams is seeing this, I like to know what they have to say about the issue.

[The One Left]

While it's fun to blame the staff for everything's that happening in the world, WoE was handled by players for the most part throughout its lifetime. Everyone has a very different view of balance for WoE. The videos you posted @NotAstolfo would be nice, but they're also never gonna happen. You would have to balance the crap out of every single skill (again) to balance things out and you'll piss off most of the potential WoE population. Some want cooldown on healing items, others don't. Some want to use their 4th class, most don't. Some want to be able to use new items past the 2020 era in WoE, others don't. Some want a cooldown on Snap, Suras don't. Etc, you get the idea.

 

Any change you'll propose will have people disliking them, but many of those would be necessary to revive it. I think the staff did a brilliant move by letting players handle WoE themselves, as all the blame was put on the commissioners for every decision taken. So when people complained about WoE issues, the blame was put back on themselves.

 

I believe someone asked to be put in charge of WoE again (to replace the GM that went MIA), but they went MIA themselves. So since everyone knows GMs don't read the NovaRO Discussion board, you might want to PM Nova yourself on Discord and ask to be in charge of WoE. I'm pretty sure you'd be picked regardless as there's really not much to lose in WoE at this point.

 

Though... be ready to be hated by most players, as it has happened for every single person handling WoE, Shalltear included. If I recall correctly, players even started spreading nasty rumours about him lol. So yes, you will most likely regret it and you'll probably have to hide your identity. It can't be avoided, it's a toxic area after all and it makes perfect sense that the staff doesn't want to handle WoE related issues. They have nothing to gain by saving it, only players being angry at them for their decisions.

[The 0ne Left]

6 hours ago, The One Left said:

While it's fun to blame the staff for everything's that happening in the world, WoE was handled by players for the most part throughout its lifetime. Everyone has a very different view of balance for WoE. The videos you posted @NotAstolfo would be nice, but they're also never gonna happen. You would have to balance the crap out of every single skill (again) to balance things out and you'll piss off most of the potential WoE population. Some want cooldown on healing items, others don't. Some want to use their 4th class, most don't. Some want to be able to use new items past the 2020 era in WoE, others don't. Some want a cooldown on Snap, Suras don't. Etc, you get the idea.

 

Isn't that what's happening that cause people to leave in the first place? Sir it's only natural to complain, what I'm saying about this is a concern. Of-course you expect people to whine because they don't know most of what they complain about. "but they're also never gonna happen" see this, this is why a lot of servers dies off catering to maintain a server instead livin things up would just end up like a minecraft server that only a hand full of people would join. And it that's the case what's the point? they could just make any MMO game that does that rather then RO? say Grand Chase or Elsword if they wanted a PVE/PVM mechanic.

 

6 hours ago, The One Left said:

Any change you'll propose will have people disliking them, but many of those would be necessary to revive it. I think the staff did a brilliant move by letting players handle WoE themselves, as all the blame was put on the commissioners for every decision taken. So when people complained about WoE issues, the blame was put back on themselves.

 

I believe someone asked to be put in charge of WoE again (to replace the GM that went MIA), but they went MIA themselves. So since everyone knows GMs don't read the NovaRO Discussion board, you might want to PM Nova yourself on Discord and ask to be in charge of WoE. I'm pretty sure you'd be picked regardless as there's really not much to lose in WoE at this point.

 

First off the blaming change means not dealing with change, second the staff did Not do a brilliant move of it hence most of the changes are carefully picked to avoid MORE complaints just preserving the problem, third Nova is beyond deaf and doesn't reply that much (busy or something) he should know this on his own on the issue.

 

6 hours ago, The One Left said:

Though... be ready to be hated by most players, as it has happened for every single person handling WoE, Shalltear included. If I recall correctly, players even started spreading nasty rumours about him lol. So yes, you will most likely regret it and you'll probably have to hide your identity. It can't be avoided, it's a toxic area after all and it makes perfect sense that the staff doesn't want to handle WoE related issues. They have nothing to gain by saving it, only players being angry at them for their decisions.

 

I'm been on the internet for years and been through many forums, lvls of hate like this doesn't flinch me, in short I don't care. If its for the good of the server (bringing back action and new people) may not be a flawless decision but it sure beats like being in a gary's mod server. lastly if the staff is afraid to stand up for themselves then what's the point of having the position, having the talent to code, means nothing if one is a spineless jellyfish like you said " It can't be avoided, it's a toxic area after all". I Apologize for the staff if they're reading this but that's how I or some would see it.

[Ouilyan]

19 hours ago, The One Left said:

. You would have to balance the crap out of every single skill (again) to balance things out and you'll piss off most of the potential WoE population.

 

 

Excuse us, but the potential WOE population does NOT join cause there is no balance.

This is a personal opinion:
"Servers start dying when woe and pvp start to die, and of course we don´t want that..."

So lets ask:
What´s the current state of woe?
What´s the current state of draft woe?
What´s the current state of pvp?
Why are some players urging for some help to save all those player vs player modes?

Only those who play siege modes know exactly what´s going on... and the sad part is that we suggest, but for some reasons "others" suggestions are prefered (which it would be OK if the suggestions worked but they have NOT worked).
At this point, the staff could OVERHAUL THE ENTIRE PLAYER VS PLAYER and the probability of people who actually try to play PVP-siege modes would be no more than 1% of the servers population...

Sometimes i feel like the "new" way of thinking (in the world) just ruined even GAMES, by making them believe that competition is a bad thing cause you will make feel others bad.
 

[The 0ne Left]

50 minutes ago, Ouilyan said:

At this point, the staff could OVERHAUL THE ENTIRE PLAYER VS PLAYER and the probability of people who actually try to play PVP-siege modes would be no more than 1% of the servers population...

 

Sometimes i feel like the "new" way of thinking (in the world) just ruined even GAMES, by making them believe that competition is a bad thing cause you will make feel others bad.
 

 

Finally someone saids it!

@The One Left Beta Generation this has become, you still think we live in a society? it's bad enough people irl today are scared of being oppress and start making a cringe movement over it, and now it's being applied here because THOSE* are the types of people we have playing here. I'm still standing on "Why not just make another MMO that does ONLY PVM/PVE"?

 

Anyone else has a saying in this? Or you just gonna hide behind your END Game stash, Are there even any GM's even seeing this? or are they gonna rollover the issues.

[The One Left]

18 hours ago, NotAstolfo said:

Isn't that what's happening that cause people to leave in the first place? Sir it's only natural to complain, what I'm saying about this is a concern. Of-course you expect people to whine because they don't know most of what they complain about. "but they're also never gonna happen" see this, this is why a lot of servers dies off catering to maintain a server instead livin things up would just end up like a minecraft server that only a hand full of people would join. And it that's the case what's the point? they could just make any MMO game that does that rather then RO? say Grand Chase or Elsword if they wanted a PVE/PVM mechanic.

That's a common misconception from the WoE community. They believe that a server needs WoE to survive... Well sorry to break the news to you, but it doesn't. WoE has never been very popular in NovaRO to begin with and the WoE community has always been a minority. Dead or not, I doubt the staff cares at all. It changes nothing at the end of the day. It would be nice if it stayed alive, it could bring up some players here and there, but it's not a big loss either. As for the rest of what you wrote, I couldn't understand it.

 

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First off the blaming change means not dealing with change, second the staff did Not do a brilliant move of it hence most of the changes are carefully picked to avoid MORE complaints just preserving the problem, third Nova is beyond deaf and doesn't reply that much (busy or something) he should know this on his own on the issue.

Quite frankly, I... have no idea what argument you were trying to convey here.

 

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I'm been on the internet for years and been through many forums, lvls of hate like this doesn't flinch me, in short I don't care. If its for the good of the server (bringing back action and new people) may not be a flawless decision but it sure beats like being in a gary's mod server. lastly if the staff is afraid to stand up for themselves then what's the point of having the position, having the talent to code, means nothing if one is a spineless jellyfish like you said " It can't be avoided, it's a toxic area after all". I Apologize for the staff if they're reading this but that's how I or some would see it.

If you're accused of favoritism and you're in charge of WoE, that will eventually be a problem though. Anyhow, I don't think it's about "being afraid to stand up for themselves", it's more so... "why bother". Like I wrote earlier, the staff truly has not much to gain from fixing WoE. Say they fixed it perfectly and they get these 100 players back... quite frankly, who gives a crap? The moment they're unhappy, they'll end up whining once again (like this thread) and it'll just be more trouble. They'll trash talk the server in Discord like they've done so many times in the past, then they'll start spreading rumours about Nova being corrupted or whatever, then they'll start telling their friends to play on X server instead, like it has happened numerous times in the past too. I say just let it die and move on. Either that or let the someone who wants to suffer handle it (like you seem to be willing). But blaming the staff for not wanting to handle this issue is silly and short sighted.

 

5 hours ago, Ouilyan said:

Excuse us, but the potential WOE population does NOT join cause there is no balance.

This is a personal opinion:
"Servers start dying when woe and pvp start to die, and of course we don´t want that..."

Same reply as above, WoE isn't needed at all. As it's been dead for a long time already and it's always been a small minority of the server to begin with, and things are fine right now without it. You're not wrong about the balance, but... balancing skills alone won't cut it. The changes you have in mind would attract the same dead WoE population, and that's just a bad move imo. Though, it's not like you can change the mindset of the people in charge so history is just going to repeat itself. So my prediction is... Nova will most likely go for someone from that dead WoE population who is well known. Then that person will apply a vast list of skill changes. Then, if things go extremely well, you'll get maybe 60~80 players in WoE. Then after they're bored, it will slowly dip down and die again. Hence why I don't think this is a good solution at all, but if that's what will make you happy for a couple weeks, go for it I guess. Seems like a colossal waste of time in my opinion though.

 

Who knows, I could be wrong, but... we've been here before by the way. There is nothing new about this situation. The only difference now is that the staff doesn't seem to want to bother at all because it always ends up the same way and it's easier to not bother with it because there's no real benefit.

[Paranoid]

Uh, no walls of text for me. Just wanted to say that the whole 'server will die if woe/pvp dies' thing is a myth propogated from mid-rate cash grab servers with a thin veneer of pvm, who only exist to cater to woe players. In reality, a majority of servers with proper fundamentals run just fine, with or without woe/pvp and its constituent players (who invariably contain the largest percentile of toxic persons).